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RomaVacation 2025-12-09 11:35:06 ( reads)

Not always true. 

I know a guy started commercial HVAC company later last year. 

4-5 people including one in office. 

They have to bid projects to general contractor. Margin 10-20% (need to reserve some for warranty labor) and sometimes even lower. They can not make duct themselves so have to outsource that. Sometimes had to lower margin to less than 10%. Ocassionally they do not get paid on time because general contractors do not get paid on time. cash flow pressure is high. This guy is planning to close that business. 

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too much competition already?

 

 I did ChatGPT

Here is a clear, practical analysis of why the business is struggling — and actionable steps to save it if possible. This is written for small commercial HVAC contractors (4–5 employees) bidding through GCs.


Why the Business Is Struggling

Your friend is in a classic “small subcontractor trap”:

1. Low margins

2. No duct fabrication

3. Cash flow pressure

4. No backlog


What Could Save This Business

Below is a list of realistic options, separated into short-term survival and long-term restructuring.


Immediate Actions (0–3 months)

1. Raise margins or walk away from unprofitable GC work

The #1 trap is “bidding to stay busy.”
In reality → busy + low margin = faster bankruptcy.

He must:

Most small contractors go out of business because they say yes too much.


2. Get a line of credit (LOC) or material financing

For subcontractors, cash flow is more important than profit.

Even a $100k LOC drastically reduces payroll stress.


3. Require deposits or “mobilization payments”

Even in commercial, it’s possible to negotiate:

Specially when:

Many HVAC companies survive ONLY because they require deposits.


4. Lean overhead immediately

A 4–5 person company cannot carry heavy overhead.

Trim:

Outsource admin tasks before firing technicians (techs create revenue; admin does not).


5. File preliminary notices to protect payments

If allowed in their state, always file:

This forces GCs to pay sooner.


Mid-term Actions (3–12 months)

6. Diversify away from low-margin GC plan/spec work

There are several better markets:

?(A) Residential new construction HVAC

Margins: 25–40%
Payments: faster (builders pay faster than GCs)
Labor: predictable
Much lower paperwork.


?(B) Service + maintenance contracts

Service margins: 35–50%
Maintenance contracts: recurring cash flow
Warranty labor declines because techs know system history.

Build a base of:

Every mature HVAC company depends on service revenue — not construction.


?(C) Design-build commercial

Margins: 25–30% vs 10–15% on GC plan/spec jobs.

Design-build reduces:

If he can do load calculations and drawings → big advantage.


7. Bring duct fabrication partially in-house

He doesn’t need a full shop.

Just having:

…can save 15–25% on duct cost and speed up jobs.

This may not be feasible immediately, but is transformative once cash flow stabilizes.


8. Build direct relationships with owners

If he can get:

He will never again rely 100% on unreliable GCs.

The money is in:

Not public GC bids.


Long-term Strategy

9. Hire/partner with a strong estimator

Estimating incorrectly kills more HVAC companies than anything else.

A skilled estimator increases:


10. Standardize job costing

Every job must have:

This identifies losing jobs and prevents repeating mistakes.


When to Actually Close the Business

If:

Then closing and restarting smaller/leaner is better than dragging on.

BUT many HVAC companies were saved by pivoting away from GC plan/spec work.


?? Summary: How to Save His Business

Critical moves:

  1. Stop bidding low-margin GC work (<15%).

  2. Get LOC or material financing.

  3. Require deposits/mobilization payments.

  4. Protect lien rights.

  5. Add service and maintenance ASAP.

  6. Pursue design-build and private commercial owners.

  7. Eventually bring some duct fabrication in-house.

  8. Improve estimating + job costing.

The business is savable — but not if it continues depending on low-margin GC bids.


If you want, I can draft:

Just tell me which one.

跟帖(4)

borisg

2025-12-09 11:53:53

I had a guy worked on one of my houses for like $60 an hour.

不声不响

2025-12-09 12:31:00

我认识的一个老中一年50万。

borisg

2025-12-09 12:35:09

那是当老板雇人的。

偷油老鼠

2025-12-09 14:45:22

年轻人总要有点理想