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APAD: No more cakes and ale?

7grizzly 2025-04-17 08:02:33 ( reads)

Meaning:

    "Cakes and ale" are synonymous with the good life, like "beer and skittles."

 

Background:

 

   The word cake is often used as as a metaphor for `a good thing' - as in `take

   the cake' for example. The first use of cakes and ale with that allusion is

   Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, 1602:

 

     SIR TOBY BELCH:

     Out o' tune, sir: ye lie. Art any more than a steward? Dost thou think,

     because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?

 

- www.phrases.org.uk [edited]

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I need help to understand Shakespeare but the phrase reminds me of an attitude

toward wealth and material comfort.

 

When Seneca was challenged about his immense riches (think of 和珅 or Warren

Buffett of the first-century Roman Empire) as unbefitting a Stoic, he replied

that piling up wealth was fine, even for a Stoic; it's a no-no, however, to

become attached to it. He said he could be stripped off everything and go in

exile the next day with the same tranquility as he had today. Lao Zi, who said

知其雄,守其雌, would've agreed. No more cakes and ale? Just the same, if not better.

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最西边的岛上

2025-04-17 08:35:02

wish could upvote more with all fingers(个位) + toes (十位);-))

最西边的岛上

2025-04-17 08:39:21

"为天下溪,常德不离"!!! "Happiness is not having what you want,

最西边的岛上

2025-04-17 08:41:08

but wanting what you have." - wise words from someone ;-)

7grizzly

2025-04-17 08:47:34

Thanks. These guys were more anti-capitalism than Marx.

7grizzly

2025-04-17 08:48:14

They would've been indifferent!

暖冬cool夏

2025-04-17 09:12:47

Nice writeup! Cakes contain much sugar, not a good thing,tho

暖冬cool夏

2025-04-17 09:13:03

I like it too:)

7grizzly

2025-04-17 09:19:45

Yesterday, my boy brought me a cookie with 700cal packed in!

7grizzly

2025-04-17 09:20:21

And I gained 2lbs this morning.

最西边的岛上

2025-04-17 09:28:35

;-)))))) that's real fast and very effective. :-)

最西边的岛上

2025-04-17 09:30:31

maybe the scale ate some of that cookie too ;-))

7grizzly

2025-04-17 09:33:40

That's scary. But I did let myself go last night :-)

7grizzly

2025-04-17 09:21:45

Thank you!

妖妖灵

2025-04-17 09:41:59

是“面包和啤酒”会有的意思吗

7grizzly

2025-04-17 09:44:39

Yes, “面包和啤酒.” 有没有不管 :-)

7grizzly

2025-04-17 09:46:19

哦,不对。是蛋糕!