发信人: eda (Lucy~~幸福进行时), 信区: Working标 题: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention Ce发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 00:32:57 2008), 转信It is such a sad story.................August 17, 2008EDITORIALMr. Ng's DeathThis country's harsh regime of immigration enforcement is racked with troubles from top to bottom, from the federal raids recklessly sweeping thousands of harmless immigrants into custody to the scandal-riddled detention system that abuses and neglects them once they get there.Last week, The Times's Nina Bernstein reported on another shameful case of someone entering immigration detention, getting sick, and dying. This time itwas Hiu Lui Ng, a computer engineer from China. He paid the ultimate price for overstaying a visa, and getting lost in a sprawling system that some have likened to a gulag.Immigration and Customs Enforcement will not comment because of a continuinginvestigation. But court affidavits tell a story of shocking neglect:Although he complained of excruciating back pain for months, and grew ever frailer in custody, officials at the Rhode Island detention center where he was being held denied Mr. Ng an independent medical evaluation and even a wheelchair. At one point, according to the affidavits, he was shackled and taken in an ambulance for a two-hour drive to Hartford, where an immigration officer pressured him to stop appealing his case and accept deportation.When lawyers finally persuaded a judge to insist on suitable medical treatment for Mr. Ng, the long-deferred diagnosis was dire. Prison officials had said it was all an act. It was terminal cancer - and a broken spine. Mr. Ng was taken to the hospital, and died five days later.One must wonder why Mr. Ng was in prison at all. He was no dangerous criminal. He entered the country legally but overstayed a visa years ago. His asylum plea was rejected, and he missed a court date when the order was sent to the wrong address. In the ensuing years, he went to college, married, and fathered two sons.His wife, a naturalized citizen, petitioned to get him legal residency, but at his green-card interview last summer, he was seized.To ensure that other detainees do not meet Mr. Ng's awful fate, Congress should pass the Detainee Basic Medical Care Act, sponsored by Senator Robert Menendez, Democrat of New Jersey, and Representative Zoe Lofgren, Democrat of California. It would impose mandatory health care standards on the detentionsystem, a rapidly growing and deeply flawed ad-hoc network of local, state,federal and privately run lockups.Immigration officials keep insisting that detention care is adequate and getting better. But it will take far more than promises of more audits to buildconfidence in a system that allows people to suffer so grievously.Immigrant advocates have long complained about the lack of due process for people who run afoul of the country's convoluted immigration laws. But accessto decent medical care is an even starker problem.While reasonable minds can differ on some aspects of the immigration debate,protecting the health of detainees is not one of them. Allowing sick peopleto suffer and die in custody without adequate treatment is unacceptable andviolates the most fundamental standards of American law and decency. The system must be fixed. --黑眼圈不一定要盖光,这样会有深邃的感觉,眼睛感觉会大一点。※ 来源:·BBS 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 98.219.]
发信人: jiudi (沉默的鱼不咬钩), 信区: Working标 题: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 02:02:29 2008)I am so sorry about that but... Mr. Ng?【 在 eda (Lucy~~幸福进行时) 的大作中提到: 】: It is such a sad story.................: August 17, 2008: EDITORIAL: Mr. Ng's Death: This country's harsh regime of immigration enforcement is racked with troubl: es from top to bottom, from the federal raids recklessly sweeping thousands : of harmless immigrants into custody to the scandal-riddled detention system : that abuses and neglects them once they get there.: Last week, The Times's Nina Bernstein reported on another shameful case ofs: omeone entering immigration detention, getting sick, and dying. This time it: ...................--※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 68.5.]
发信人: mjpn (mj), 信区: Working标 题: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 05:29:50 2008)If he was out of status long time ago, how did he go to school and work in the passed 10+ years? Did he apply and get approved for F1, H1?【 在 eda (Lucy~~幸福进行时) 的大作中提到: 】: It is such a sad story.................: August 17, 2008: EDITORIAL: Mr. Ng's Death: This country's harsh regime of immigration enforcement is racked with troubl: es from top to bottom, from the federal raids recklessly sweeping thousands : of harmless immigrants into custody to the scandal-riddled detention system : that abuses and neglects them once they get there.: Last week, The Times's Nina Bernstein reported on another shameful case ofs: omeone entering immigration detention, getting sick, and dying. This time it: ...................--※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 71.114.]
发信人: Beijing (学什么都不如有绿卡), 信区: Working标 题: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detent发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 09:03:11 2008)245i ?【 在 mjpn (mj) 的大作中提到: 】: If he was out of status long time ago, how did he go to school and work in : the passed 10+ years? Did he apply and get approved for F1, H1?: troubl: thousands : system : s: it--1. 本人言论仅供参考2. 听不得人说Vivian Chow长得不美3. 如果不想被爱所伤,就永远不要去爱4. 一定要找个能养我的PPMM5. 成功=命中注定6. 活着就是幸福※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 64.242.]
发信人: WindFollower (~~随风飘逝~~), 信区: Working标 题: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 09:56:30 2008)好像是一个Out of Status,但是靠老婆公民办到绿卡面试了,结果被抓起来了。人家说他只要同意被遣返中国就可以马上结案,他不同意,坚持上诉,结果死了。应该当时同意回中国,以后再签出来呀,不知道为什么不同意。难道是轮轮或什么的?--※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 162.136.]
发信人: yqwen (小少爷), 信区: Working标 题: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detent发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 14:42:02 2008)"...应该当时同意回中国,以后再签出来呀..."-- 没这么简单【 在 WindFollower (~~随风飘逝~~) 的大作中提到: 】: 好像是一个Out of Status,但是靠老婆公民办到绿卡面试了,结果被抓起来了。: 人家说他只要同意被遣返中国就可以马上结案,他不同意,坚持上诉,结果死了。: 应该当时同意回中国,以后再签出来呀,不知道为什么不同意。难道是轮轮或什么的?--※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 144.212.]
发信人: yqwen (小少爷), 信区: Working标 题: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detent发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 14:43:14 2008)Ng = 吴, 越南华人很多这么拼的【 在 jiudi (沉默的鱼不咬钩) 的大作中提到: 】: I am so sorry about that but... Mr. Ng?: troubl: thousands : system : s: it--※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 144.212.]
发信人: Android (Android), 信区: Working标 题: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 15:27:26 2008)he is not chinese, he is vietnamese--※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 152.11.]
发信人: eda (Lucy~~幸福进行时), 信区: Working标 题: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detentio发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 16:28:00 2008), 转信我看了原始的法院记录。这个华人是中国浙江人。可能是后来申请了香港护照,所以姓名变成了ng的拼音。他最早是用B-1/B-2签证来美国的,应该来的时候年龄很小。然后申请了政治庇护,移民法庭要求他出庭,但是出庭通知寄到了一个错误的地址。由于他没有出庭,移民法官就缺席审判了他的案件,并下了驱逐出境令。后来Ng同学和一个绿卡人结婚,提交了一个结婚移民申请。等了5年多这个案件也没有下来,然后他老婆就成了美国公民。于是他老婆就又帮他重新提交了一个新的结婚移民申请。在后来递交新申请的时候,他们通过律师知道了之前的驱逐出境令。但是这个律师水平可能有点问题,并没有提出很好的法律意见和文书。由于公民配偶的绿卡有名额,所以移民局就很快安排了他们的移民面谈。这个律师仍然没有提出可能的危险。于是两夫妻在去移民局面谈的时候,移民执法人员就在移民局等着ng,直接把他抓到了监狱里。(以上为了通俗易懂起见,很多名词没有用法律术语。:-)然后Ng就在监狱里死于癌症。由于移民局没有提供足够的医疗设备,据说死的时候,脊柱骨已经断掉了。唉,看文章的时候真难过。美国的移民执法部门简直是混乱得让人难以置信。如果ng找到一个好的律师的话,现在早就已经得到了绿卡,可以在美国自由的生活了。每个人都以为这样的事情可能离自己很远。其实并非如此。上次碰到一个客户,从学生签证转到H-4,然后再提交了I-485。可是偏偏移民局的系统记录有错,显示她I-20过期后仍然非法居留在美国,结果也被移民局送上递解出境的境地。后来由于地址更换的问题,没有收到出庭通知,也被移民法官缺席审判了驱逐出境令。等她离开美国的时候,才意外收到了这封驱逐出境令。差点就再也回不来美国了。【 在 WindFollower (~~随风飘逝~~) 的大作中提到: 】: 好像是一个Out of Status,但是靠老婆公民办到绿卡面试了,结果被抓起来了。: 人家说他只要同意被遣返中国就可以马上结案,他不同意,坚持上诉,结果死了。: 应该当时同意回中国,以后再签出来呀,不知道为什么不同意。难道是轮轮或什么的?--黑眼圈不一定要盖光,这样会有深邃的感觉,眼睛感觉会大一点。※ 来源:·BBS 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 72.54.]
标 题: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detent发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 17:29:22 2008)这个错误地址是不是他们故意留错的? Ng came to New York from Hong Kong in 1992 at age 17. He went to college, became a computer engineer, married a United States citizen and fathered twoAmerican born sons.[1] He entered United States legally but had overstayed a visa years ago. The government rejected his pleas for political asylum. Hemissed a court date in 2001 when the order was sent to a nonexistent address, and the judge ordered him deported when he did not show up at the hearing.[2] His wife, a naturalized citizen, had petitioned to get him legalresidency, but he was seized at his final green card interview on July 19, 2007 on the old deportation order.[3]【 在 Android (Android) 的大作中提到: 】: he is not chinese, he is vietnamese--http://www.MyVisaJobs.com/ - the Work Visa Solution!F1 Visa, J1 Visa, H1B Visa, TN Visa and Green Cards.....※ 来源:·WWW 未名空间站 海外: mitbbs.com 中国: mitbbs.cn·[FROM: 65.51.]
标 题: Re: A Chinese Engineer Who Died in the Immigration Detention 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 3 22:38:22 2008)说一下我身边的例子细节就不讲了只讲几点终要的原则关系到你的生命这位同学死在集中营毫不奇怪怪他没有看到问题的严重性真实的情况很可能是在局子里被谋害了根本不不是什么癌症而死其实他是有选择的就是选 deportation这里说一下如果没有案底deportation根本没有什么可怕的但是对生活肯定是有很大的冲击因此进入到最后一步让他接受deportation的时候明治的是马上接受deportation接下去就是送回他持护照的原居地中国或香港看他当时那什么护照了然后他在花钱办移民当然现在的情形也可能好几年都无法回美国给生活带来很多不变但是至少生命有保障但是他作出了关键也是极为错误的决定就是拒绝deportation因此移民局好无选择只好把他送进集中营了以后的事情就和移民局没有关系了而集中营基本上是九死一生我看到很多这方面的报导脊柱都被打断了太惨了