Douglas Macgregor : False Flag Douglas Macgregor June 28, 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZOpubMuGYk&ab_channel=DouglasMacgregor%F0%9F%94%88 hello everyone I am so honored to be joined once again by Colonel Douglas McGregor a decorated combat veteran PhD and author and a military expert who we are so grateful to hear from especially given what happened over the weekend; Colonel McGregor thank you so much for joining me first of all I just want to hear what is your take on the crazy weekend in the supposed coup in Russia? Well I think the word crazy is a a good adjective to attached to this particular event you know very few of us in the west understand Russia or Russians and as a result we reach all sorts of erroneous conclusions about what is or is not happening; this is one of those events that I'm afraid has to be viewed through a different lens; pregosian is an individual that as you know that is very flamboyant very outspoken he's had lots of opportunities to say good things he's also said some stupid things and he's been viewed widely inside the senior ranks of the Russian army is a double-edged sword obviously Wagner has done a brilliant job and Wagner is viewed inside Russia in much the same way that the French Foreign Legion is viewed inside France Wagner is not seen as a mercenary organization at all certainly they have foreigners in their ranks and yes they have convicted criminals that uh on certain conditions were allowed to serve but on the whole they're seen as fiercely loyal to the Russian State and they are and just like the French Foreign Legion they fight extremely well and no one in France will ever criticize the French Foreign Legion and I think you have a similar situation in Russia right now the Wagner group is extraordinarily popular so is pagosia lots of Russians Look to Him for inspiration he is seen as someone who wants to wage unrelenting war with the Ukrainian State he wants this manzielinski gone he and his Fighters are seen as part of this determined Russian effort to destroy this enemy force in Ukraine so that everything that happens has to be understood against that backdrome secondly progression of latest had some serious problems with the Russian high command there are legal issues involved with the Wagner group originally it was designed exclusively for use overseas and obviously it's being used domestically and over time the military has expressed interest I'm talking about the very senior ranks particularly the minister of defense and the chief of staff in Breaking this Wagner organization up which is something that Mr pagosian didn't want to do secondly Ferguson has been I think unreasonably hostile on occasion towards the high command on the other hand some of his criticism is widely shared inside Russia criticism is that he's not only not been adequately supplied which is open to debate but also that this war is not being prosecuted with the level of ferocity that it deserves he doesn't even like the use of the words special military operation he wants a declared war he wants the nation mobilized now Putin knows him and they've known each other for some time I'm reluctant to use the word quote unquote coup because I don't think burgosian ever set out to displace Putin I think he was trying to get Putin's attention I think he went too far and you had uh the potential for real Bloodshed with this small force of three or four thousand that was going to Moscow but I think the Hope was that he could somehow another reach Putin's ears getting to understand that his senior leaders are not what they should be whether or not that's true that's a different issue but I think that was pagosian's principal goal I don't think he saw himself as rising to the top to replace Putin at all so I think a lot of the Wagner troops that went with him said what we're doing is we're going to rescue this man Putin from his generals we're going to get him to understand what's really happening now there are others that will dispute that I think mercuris and his friends who do a wonderful job by the way of reporting don't share that but my sources see things differently and and so do I now it's all over and and there are a couple of things that are very important to understand Putin is not strong Russia is not the Soviet Union if anything Putin is much closer to a czar than he is to anything else and he had the opportunity to arrest brigosian and the rest of these troops and execute them and he very quickly decided not to do so first of all because of the reasons I cited at the outset he realizes these men are Russian Patriots they have fought very very hard for Russia secondly uh he he's not really threatened because he had 30 000 troops in Moscow he's got control nobody joined this no one was interested in supporting this so he's not really threatened and lukashenko has known for Goshen for at least 20 years all three men know each other I think lukashago said look it's let me pick this man up bring him to be La Russia we'll keep him under wraps and Putin decided that he could be lenient I don't think this reflects his weakness I think it speaks a lot to his strengths so this is now over the real question is was the message received does Putin understand that he really does need to shake up the high command does he Now understand that the Russian people want an end to this war does he understand that the Russian military its Army sitting in Ukraine wants to attack and end this thing there's something else lurking in the background that your viewers need to keep in mind that I think was also on pagosian's mind though I can't prove it has talked of late several times about attacking the zabarisha nuclear power plant that's a very dangerous thing because it could conceivably radiate and cause terrible destruction thanks to the radiation if the one of those reactors was destroyed so lensky has been pushing it budanov who works for him and runs the uh intelligence side of the house in Ukraine has been actively advocating for it all the time almost from the very beginning there has been a concern in Moscow about the potential for a quote-unquote dirty bomb and that this dirty bomb implemented by the ukrainians obviously with this nuclear power plant could be then presented as a false slack because ultimately people in in Washington the president people like Graham and Blumenthal just sponsored this legislation which would trigger an automatic war with Russia under such circumstances I think they there's a fear that this is quite real and once again that the longer they wait to act decisively the more likely something like this is to happen and then you really do have a wider War which no one in their right mind wants right now so I I think all of these things were whirling around in the progosian said I think they were on the minds of several senior Military Officers so now he's gone he'll go to Villa Russia some of these soldiers will simply be released they won't go back to fight but the majority of the Wagner group will how they will be employed where they will be employed I don't know but they're too good to dismiss let's let's face it so it's over let's see if there's a shake up in the high command let's see how long it takes to unleash this offensive what do you think about race of events and why has the war dragged out like this I think two reasons first of all from the very beginning President Putin was very reluctant to confront the West militarily he still is and I think he went into Ukraine with unrealistic expectations the wrong assumptions he thought well you know if I go in I sure am serious but I don't do too much then the West will negotiate well it took several months for him to figure out no one is not going to negotiate if anything they viewed what he did as evidence for weakness so he had to essentially call a timeout reorganize reorient and he listened to the senior leadership that said we don't have enough troops to do what we need to do so now you have almost 750 000 troops involved and there are talks behind the scenes about continuing the mobilization and adding another three or four hundred thousand men because increasingly Putin is concluding he's not going to find anyone to talk to and he will ultimately have to March to the Polish border which is not what he wants to do he's well aware that the real ukrainians who live west of the river want nothing to do with Russians he's not a fool so I think what you'll do now is take the rest of eastern Ukraine then he'll move down to Odessa then there will be another pause and I think he's watching us I mean you talk about the United States someone told me this morning that since we changed the debt ceiling and we've added 700 billion dollars in debt to our already staggering the size of our debt trillions of dollars I mean this is crazy I think he looks at that and says how much longer can this go on he sees Donald Trump he sees JFK or excuse me RFK Jr they are forcefully opposed to war with Russia as they should be he looks at Germany which is now in free fall into a terrible economic recession that could easily become a depression he sees their scientific industrial base collapsing and he says how much longer can this man Schultz last I don't know what the story is with macron but I don't see him as a particularly strong figure domestically in France and then of course we had London with Sue neck who's turned out to be pretty much like his predecessors and I'm not sure the British people really want to go to war with Russia so you put it all together and I think he says I'm going to press ahead but I'm going to do so deliberately I'm not going to just say all right tomorrow morning we're marching on you know live off and we'll be in the Polish border in 10 days that's not his style he's going to do what I said and then I think look for Applause and look for some sanity in Europe because the Europeans are the only ones that could step in this government that we have is divorced from reality on every level economically financially politically culturally strategically militarily I want to talk a little bit more about our country's economics and I'm glad you brought up the debt turning to this sort of Global Financial system that appears to be crumbling do you see our national debt as a national security threat oh absolutely there's no question about that and this is what's really disturbing most of all if you recognize that it's only a matter of time until your own Financial system falls apart here at home and potentially that we slide into a very serious recession if not a deep depression which is by no means out of bounds right now for us you understand that one of the things that you've got to do if you're going to get your creditors to cooperate with you is demonstrate your willingness to tighten the purse strings to cut spending to cut back what is this Administration doing it's almost as though you're on a roller coaster it's no longer connected to the track you're about to go over a giant hump and nothing is going to save you so you you've got to go back to basics and understand you know Franklin Roosevelt in 32 and again and 34 effectively defaulted what he did is he said I've got to restructure the debt well at the time we had huge quantities of gold pouring into us from the Europeans who owed us from World War one that helped a great deal secondly he had a big scientific industrial base that simply needed to be restarted we need to get people back into it to work but he also cut spending in a number of important ways not the least of which was the defense and he understood that you had to do that to get your creditors to support you why would anybody turn to us and say all right why would Saudi Arabia Japan China any number of our creditors say well you know these Americans aren't so bad they're really serious they want to deal with the debt there's no evidence for it what is your take on the implications of the U.S going from the world's largest creditor Nation to the world's largest debtor nation and the fact that we've been able to sort of exploit our advantage by being the global Reserve currency and we're seeing Nations start to de-dollarize faster and faster well as you know the the Nations the bricks I think there's a total of 84 right now interested in working with the Russia China and India to effectively get out from underneath our financial system remember the problem with our financial system it's not the dollar per se it's our desire to bully everyone you know we have 34 Nations last time I looked under some form of financial sanction but this is crazy how can you expect to do business when you're telling people no we're punishing you for these political reasons we don't like your human rights record we don't like this or that more important perhaps you're not growing the right crop or the crop we want you to grow all of this is outrageous nonsense people have had it it's over they put up with this for the first 50 years after the second world war for obvious reasons they did not want to be dominated by communism they saw the danger that it represented to themselves so this is over it that no longer justifies this unquestioning obedience only the Europeans are following us slavishly and I think that's because the globalist elite doesn't know what else to do and remember what's no one in Washington want to admit I was wrong no one will step forward and say gosh we made a mistake so it's all going to collapse Natalie it's going to fall apart it will disintegrate somebody asked me yesterday how far do you think we're going to get uh are we going to change things with the next election I don't know if we'll make it that far it's hard for me to believe that this man Biden is going to make it through the rest of the year he's obviously a cardboard cutout other people are handing him the script to read but he's he's at the end of his tether so what do you do put Kamala Harris in well good luck with that proposition I don't know of anybody that believes that woman knows what she's doing so then suddenly you have a power vacuum I think it's going to take something like this before finally someone says well what do you do right away that's going to improve our position financially you cut defense spending because you're dismantling the empire you've got a dismantle Empire that's what the Romans did when they fell apart as you moved from Diocletian to the end bring the troops back bring them back from England bring them back from gold bring them back from North Africa until finally they were home and everything changed so I think something like that is going to happen here Colonel something that's always amazed to me is how far we're able to pick the can down the road you know the US dollar is still used in about 80 percent of global transactions were so deeply entrenched in in this financial system that we helped prop up and now it's basically built on a foundation of debt so you mentioned that you think it's going to crumble pretty soon but how do you actually see it playing out because I think a lot of people would argue that it's it's probably going to be the U.S dollar dominating for a bit longer as other currencies start to rise including many of us believe Bitcoin well remember that the bricks and these other 84 countries are going to join them effectively moving towards a gold-backed currency of some kind or a basket of currencies I don't know what they'll come up with it takes time to build the institutions like ours now we can argue that the Swift system is anachronistic needs to be overhauled and changed I I agree but you don't build something like that overnight and confidence in these countries and the ability to do business with them legitimately that also has to grow so the dollar is going to persist a bit longer but as the dollar ceases to be the one and best alternative that's when Bitcoin steps in because again what's the problem with the dollar right now the banks people don't want to be under the thumb of the banks because the banks are controlled by the same globalist Elite that runs the media that gives you the news that isn't news that creates false narratives that dominates your government Etc these are the same people that shipped all of our jobs overseas and it de-industrialized America these are the people that Donald Trump was opposed to and fights against these are the people that RFK Jr talks about that's why Bitcoin is inevitable in my judgment when how and how much that that's beyond my level of expertise but I see that it is inevitable what else he what else can you do and you want to use whatever comes out of the bricks China Russian and India probably not immediately well right exactly I mean you mentioned even if it's a basket of currencies backed by gold how do you audit the gold all the gold has been centralized in the vaults of central banks none of these nations trust one another and with Bitcoin it's this immutable trust Network and and and something that anyone can verify from anywhere so I think that it'll be interesting to see this play out but I'm kind of curious you know you have so much experience deep within the military sometimes on this show we talk about the military industrial complex and and how that has eroded some of the the economic value that that the U.S offers um can you talk to me a little bit about the America that you grew up in can you describe it versus the America that you see today that kids are growing up in I grew up in a fairly modest neighborhood lower middle class neighborhood frankly mostly working-class people in North Philadelphia most of our neighbors at the time were ukrainians polls uh some lithuanians a few Irish and Italians thrown into the mix but these people were either first or second generation Americans by the way they were ferociously patriotic but it was a neighborhood in which you didn't have to lock your doors uh if you did something wrong when I was 10 years old or something the phone would ring off the hook and people would call my mother you know this was an America that I think you can see in some of the films of the era but that's vanished it's so tragic because you didn't have to worry about being assaulted in the middle of the night even in the 1950s early 60s you could walk from one end of Philadelphia to the other with about an 80 to 90 percent chance of doing so without being mugged or killed well that that's impossible the neighborhood I grew up in is a war zone it's a tragedy I go back there and brings tears to my eyes because the even though these were modest places people loved their homes they took care of things the place was clean everything was well policed it's all gone it's vanished how do you get it back and I think that brings us to some hard questions you're not going to get there by throwing money at the people that are harming your country by throwing money at people on the grounds that they're oppressed minorities in this kind of business you've got to you've got to step back and say first of all are you an American you are or you are not there's no halfway house what do Americans stand for they believe in the rule of law first and foremost they believe in a meritocracy we always know that nothing is a perfect meritocracy but we strive for that goal that's one of the fundamentals of being an American we also believe in defending our country but we're not very excited about traveling all over the world to isolated places where we have no real strategic interest we don't understand the people I mean this is the thing that I encounter all the time I do not perfectly understand the Russians but I damn well know that the Russians and we are very different and we have to understand that instead of feeling contempt for people who are different from us it's time to say look we can respect other people's cultures other way other people's ways of doing business one of our Cardinal principles until Woodrow Wilson came along and I guess you could blame some of this on Teddy Roosevelt was that we don't interfere in the internal affairs of other countries we've got to get back to that we have to build Prosperity here at home stop talking about other people's human rights records let's restore the law here let's make it safe to walk around Chicago again yeah this this is nonsense and that may take the application of police and potentially military power in some form at some point but it's got to happen and I think Americans are coming around to understand that when and why do you think we lost some of that work ethic that really did make America great I mean this country was founded on the ideals of self-determination and freedom and people were they had pride in in pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and working really hard to determine their Destiny they would have been ashamed to take some of the handouts that people just feel entitled to today how did we get there somebody said something given has no value in other words if you don't earn it it's not meaningful My Generation we are the so-called Boomers we walked into Paradise we lived in a very different environment from those people especially true for the children I would argue of the 60s they came into a very different setting for the rest of us they did not raise their children with the same set of values and attitudes that their parents did simply because life was too good it was too easy all you have to do is look at these outrageous loans to students for what people are increasingly questioning uh is valuable and that is this four-year college education what good is a four-year college education if you can't get a job we didn't used to send everybody to college we thought all work had dignity just because someone was an electrician or a plumber didn't mean they were less than someone who was an attorney on the contrary if you thought that way you were in trouble in the America I grew up in you treated everyone with respect that's gone away we have too many people now who are what I call white-collar frauds they have nothing to offer they can't get a real job or they're employed in in ridiculous jobs and look at the size of our government how many of the people that we have in the federal bureaucracy do we really need there I don't think a lot of them are really required in the meantime we have open borders millions of people we can't vet are coming in they're coming in with questionable credentials in other words we're not exactly inviting large numbers of people with degrees and in Practical mathematics science or technology we don't even demand that they speak English we can't go on like this what do we talk we talk about in in the same breath artificial intelligence I think we exaggerate it right now but it's very clear that AI is going to change things and a lot of these people that we're bringing in how are we going to employ them and no one steps forward and says well what about Americans shouldn't we be thinking about Americans first and if you bring that up the news media crushes you what do you mean America First well if we're not going to be Americans first and worry about Americans first then why do we have a country at all and I think that's the real question can we actually keep the country we've got at all it's going to be tough well a lot of people have really lost faith in their in their representatives do you think that the people leading this country are malicious or misinformed or a combination I think it's a combination I think some of them are just corrupt it's very very hard for people to come to Washington which is a place where we didn't intend to turn out large numbers of billionaires but we do if you're willing to sign on to bad policies if you're willing to support bad programs whether they're military or otherwise there's lots of money in it for you I I would argue that we no longer have anything remotely like a republic or democracy what what we've got right now I think is a donor dominated government the donors are determining that we should be fighting Russia in eastern Ukraine it's ridiculous I don't think any American would vote for it if he understood anything about it well it's easy when you can just print the money right I mean what's your reaction to all the money that we've been sending to Ukraine just recently apparently there was like 6.2 billion in an accounting error I mean what does this actually mean for the American people because you know sometimes it's out of sight out of mind I think some people are following this war very closely others feel very disconnected or they might put a Ukraine flag on their you know Facebook profile but what does this war actually mean why should westerners care what's happening well the vast majority of Americans don't care they're not interested they're busy elsewhere I remember when Newt Gingrich LED this Congressional revolt against Bill Clinton and he effectively shut down the government and the Republicans at the time mistakenly thought oh this is going to work to our advantage it really didn't and I remember they they interviewed a gentleman who was on his bicycle with a case of beer strapped to the back in San Francisco and they said sir sir would you talk to us and he said sure what he said well you know what do you think about this government shutdown well you know as long as I can get my beer and I can go back and watch you know TV and do what I need to do I guess it doesn't matter much that's the problem there are too many people that feel unaffected you still have this problem in many areas just because illegals haven't broken into your house and taken taken control of it or they haven't pitched a tent on your lawn well you know it doesn't really affect me this is the problem with a very large country like the United States it can't go on though Natalie now people have got to wake up and I I really think they'll wake up when the economy tanks completely and the financial system breaks down I think they'll pay more attention when the banks say I'm sorry we're shutting down for two weeks how much how long will it take before that happens well you said earlier one of the things we have to do immediately is cut our spending because we keep spending money that we don't have we keep going further and further into debt so if you were leading this country and you had executive powers what would you do well the first thing that you have to do is close that border and I would take all the forces that we have sitting in Romania and Poland right now and repatriates them to the United States immediately I'd bring the forces back from Korea there are no imminent dangers to us overseas and the countries that we have been subsidizing for decades are eminently capable of Defending themselves that's what president Trump said he's right and I would tell our lies for the moment you need to be your own first responder don't depend on us to travel six to ten Thousand Miles because right now given new technology we can't get there anyway if we were fighting the Russians or the Chinese or something they'd interdict it so we can't behave as we did 40 50 60 years ago so I'd bring them home I'd close that border right away and then I'd say the next thing we're going to do is restore the rule of law the first step is to tell all the people that are in the United States illegally you've got 60 days to get out and if you register you're with us on the way out and you're honest we'll consider you for admission at a later date but right now you've got to go home and get out of here if you stay beyond the 60-day period well you could face incarceration or worse and then I would begin looking at these big cities you know I think we'll probably end up in some kind of conflict with a drug cartel simply because they've penetrated our police departments our governments they've penetrated all over the United States so if we're going to stop that fentanyl craze along with a lot of other problems and the human trafficking which is way out of control right now it's going to take harsh measures those things are going to tie us up for years because we'll never get back to the kind of civil society and effective society and good economy unless we do those things this is such a polarizing issue I mean what do you say to people out there who look at this solely from the humanitarian Viewpoint saying that these people are facing crises and danger they're trying to come to a safe place and and work so what do you say to that do you just have an issue with the fact that there should be this legal process that people have to wait in line and and and show you know who they are in order to be able to come here to try to work first of all tolerating the Intolerable which is what we're we're doing and have been doing for a while is the path to total Destruction our civilization can't survive it so if we're not willing to defend ourselves our values our society our people if we're not willing to do those things we will not survive so that's the first part second part is we should be interested in limited immigration we should be looking at people with exceptional skills we used to have an exceptional skills act in the United States we didn't allow for General immigration after 1924 but we recognize that there were people out there with exceptional skills they needed to be admitted that's how we got Albert Einstein that's how Vanna Von Brown showed up with his technicians even though people complained about it without him we'd never had any intercontinental ballistic missiles we would have fallen far behind the Soviets so you need exceptional people and we can be selective we say listen if you don't already speak English we're past the point now you know there are more people who speak English in China than there are in the United States so there's no reason why someone who wants to come here can't learn to speak English we're under no obligation to take in other people's miseries and problems or make their world their fights their conflicts their Wars ours the whole purpose of betraying the United States was to get out of that we need to get back to it you know I find that really interesting um just because when I immigrated to the US when I was five years old my family brought me here they were trying to escape communism and in Eastern Europe they wanted to come here for the sense of the American dream the ability to work for Upward social mobility and my parents didn't want me to speak Polish they wanted me to speak English they were proud that I was going to get to learn English and I have seen that shift a little bit and I don't you know I I almost wish that I had more of my polish speaking skills but it was again it was that Pride that we are here we are American and now especially if you live in certain parts of the country you might not find someone who actually speaks English well look you make an important point when I was growing up as a child I was fascinated particularly about Eastern Europe it's one of the reasons I ended up going to Germany's exchange student I went to Brunswick and somebody asked me why did you go there it was as far east as I could get uh at the time and that was 1969 but I I was interested in in the very things that you're you're talking about I wanted to learn some Ukrainian and polish you want to learn about these people the lithuanians the rest of them and you're right uh they the children I was growing I was growing up with most of them couldn't speak it didn't understand it thought it was rather odd and their parents were amazed at this uh Quaker from North Philadelphia was interested in them and what they thought in their culture but I'll tell you something else uh in the 1960s a lot of those young boys that grew up they went to their fathers and they said look I think this Vietnam war is terrible I'm going to go to Canada and I remember one of them came out to play his name was we call him stosh who I guess his real name was stanisloff but uh he came out he had a black eye and we said stash what happened he said well I told my old man I wasn't going to fight and he said America's the greatest country in the world and you will fight communism and you will defend this country these people were the best American citizens I've ever seen and you're right we've lost that we need to get it back well it's just interesting to see how everyone's dividing themselves into teams and I no longer even understand what makes the liberal what makes a republican because in the past the very people who would defend freedom of speech and were skeptical of the FBI seem to be um acting and as if it's the opposite now and I I think that for the average person even though we're portrayed these Extremes in in media and certainly online through the algorithms I do believe that most people are good they want to work hard and take care of their families I mean what gives you hope that the common person the working person can win in a world of so much turmoil well it's funny you bring up Republicans and Democrats because I fail to see a great deal of difference between most of them anymore I talk about the UNA party and I'm an advocate for a third party I think the two institutions have outlived their utility uh we need someone to lead that effort I was hoping that President Trump would he hasn't we need a different party a party that is American a party that is unambiguously Nationalist and conservative that believes in the country that you and I are talking about I think that there's no shortage of Americans who would join that many of whom call themselves Democrats some of whom call themselves Republicans I think that's needed but I don't have an easy answer I think though that hard times produce strong people easy times don't produce much of anything we've had too many easy times for too long and we haven't produced much all you have to do is look at the American and Military when I go back to my childhood and remember the people that I grew up with who had fought in Korea the second world war and I look at the people that we have running the show today I I've discussed it those people were Inspirations these people are depressing they're so busy trying to get promoted to get into a position in retirement where they can enrich themselves they've they've forgotten the country completely their this sense of service must return it's it's not there at the moment I agree with you well where I want to close this out is what what's that saying that we're um it's a path diverged in the woods we can go in two different directions if we make the right decisions what will America look like say 10 years from now if we make the wrong decisions or keep going down the path we have been going on what does America look like in 10 years well if we go the wrong way which is the way we are headed right now I don't think the United States will be a great power any longer whether or not we hold together is unitary state is another question I'm someone who believes fiercely in defending every inch of soil that is American I oppose any breakup under any circumstances but to ensure that doesn't happen we have to reaffirm our national identity we've been destroying it we need to get out of this business of defaming everything that was us we need to identify strongly with what we have been in the past if we're going to have a future at all stop apologizing on the basis of ridiculous assertions made by people who are effectively not Americans if they are then they certainly hate the country why listen to them we haven't got time for that nonsense what gives you hope looking at you and people like you because there are lots of people your age you have a lot of common sense and ability I think they're more out there than we think and I think we need more Youth and less old men even though that includes me obviously and people that are that have courage are willing to stand up and say I don't care what you call me call me whatever you want get the hell out of my way I'm an American I'm going to do what I think is right for my country that's essentially what we've got to have I I think they're there well thank you so much it's very very kind of you Colonel McGregor it's always an honor to speak with you thank you so much for sharing your time with us and we hope to talk to you again soon |