ridiculing a Gold Star mother, off limit a sense of decency
TJKCB (2016-08-01 15:08:41) 评论 (1)No use. can't convince anyone, otherwise. FYI - a sense of decency
Trump campaign asks Capitol Hill for backing in Khan controversy
By Richard Cowan and David Morgan,Reuters 1 hour 55 minutes ago
By Richard Cowan and David Morgan
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's campaign appealed to Capitol Hill for support on Monday as his attacks on the Muslim parents of a decorated U.S. soldier killed in Iraq drew sharp rebukes from fellow party members.
Trump's criticism of Khizr Khan and Ghazala Khan, who took the stage at last week's Democratic convention, sparked a growing wave of concern and dismay from Republican lawmakers responding to the latest Trump outburst to blindside his party colleagues.
Republican Senator John McCain, a former prisoner of war and the most prominent veteran in Congress, along with the commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, joined the chorus of condemnation, reflecting the highly regarded place the military and its veterans hold with many in the United States.
Trump's dispute with the Khans has dominated the White House campaign in recent days and underlined the uneasy alliance between many leading Republicans and the party's freewheeling, unorthodox nominee for the Nov. 8 election.
Rob Wasinger, a onetime congressional candidate who has been working for the Trump camp on congressional outreach, sent an email to senior Senate aides saying, "We want to get several member statements out today on this, and would really appreciate your help."
A similar appeal was made to Republicans in the House of Representatives, according to a senior aide.
Attached to the appeal were talking points lawmakers could use to try to tamp down the controversy growing since last week's appearance at the Democratic convention by the Khans, the parents of U.S. Army Captain Humayun Khan, who was killed by a bomb in Iraq 12 years ago.
The Trump campaign did not respond to requests for comment, and Wasinger refused to comment when contacted by telephone.
A senior Senate Republican aide, who asked not to be identified, said Republican senators were pleased with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's statement on Sunday calling Captain Khan "an American hero" and noting "a travel ban on all members of a religion is simply contrary to American values."
At the same time, the aide said the controversy would probably not cause Republican senators to withdraw their endorsements of Trump.
In his convention speech delivered with his wife at his side, Khizr Khan showcased his son's military service and criticized Trump's call for a temporary ban on Muslims from entering the United States, holding up a copy of the U.S. Constitution and suggesting Trump read it.
Since then, Trump has complained he was "viciously" attacked by the couple and suggested Ghazala Khan might not have been "allowed" to speak, implying her silence reflected restrictions placed on women by some traditional Muslims.
McCain, the 2008 Republican presidential candidate and current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, issued a lengthy statement sharply criticizing Trump's comments.
"While our party has bestowed upon him the nomination, it is not accompanied by unfettered license to defame those who are the best among us," said McCain, a prisoner of war for five years during the Vietnam War.
His counterpart on the House Armed Services Committee, Representative Mac Thornberry of Texas, echoed McCain, saying in a statement that he was "dismayed at the attacks Khizr and Ghazala Khan have endured after they spoke about their son's service and sacrifice."
The head of the 1.7 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars also said Trump's attack on the Khans went too far. Trump and Clinton spoke to the group's national convention last week.
'NO TOLERANCE'
"Election year or not, the VFW will not tolerate anyone berating a Gold Star family member for exercising his or her right of speech or expression," said Brian Duffy, the national commander of the country's oldest and largest war veterans organization, referring to families who have lost relatives in wars.
In the talking points sent to lawmakers, the Trump campaign said he had been asked about the Khans' comments during the convention and wished them well. The talking points also noted that Trump "wants to end radical Islamic terror, so that our soldiers like Mr. Khan's son will be safe."
The list also says Trump had not directly compared his sacrifices to the Khans. Trump said over the weekend he had also made sacrifices in his life by working hard, creating jobs and being successful.
The Khans bristled at that suggestion and, in numerous television appearances over the weekend, said Trump was ignorant about Islam and about their family's sacrifice.
Trump's off-the-cuff insults and controversial proposals such as the Muslim ban and a plan to keep illegal immigrants out by building a wall along the Mexican border, have made many in the party establishment reluctant backers of his White House bid.
In his statement, McCain recalled how Humayun Khan died, saying that when a suicide bomber aimed his vehicle toward a building housing hundreds of U.S. soldiers, the captain told his subordinates to stay away, then ran toward it.
McCain thanked the Khans for coming to America, saying "your son was the best of America, and the memory of his sacrifice will make us a better nation – and he will never be forgotten."
In a remarks to television networks on Monday, Khizr Khan said Trump lacked the empathy to be a leader and chided him for throwing the first salvo in their exchange.
Asked on CNN what message he could give Trump, the father said he wanted to maintain his family's dignity and convey to Trump "that a good leader has one trait ... empathy."
"It is basic character, realizing, feeling the pains, the difficulties of the people that you wish to lead," Khan said. "And that is missing."
Trump has tried to shift focus from the Khans.
"This story is not about Mr. Khan, who is all over the place doing interviews, but rather RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM and the U.S. Get smart!" Trump said Monday on Twitter.
Ghazala Khan wrote an opinion piece in The Washington Post on Sunday saying that she had remained silent during her husband's remarks to cope with making her grief public during the convention.
On Sunday, Democratic rival Hillary Clinton said Trump had scapegoated the parents. In addition to Senate Majority Leader McConnell, House Speaker Paul Ryan issued a statement supporting the family.
Trump drew similar opprobrium a year ago when he said McCain, who as a naval aviator was shot down and taken prisoner during the Vietnam War, was not a hero because he had been captured.
In an open letter, 23 Gold Star families said Trump cheapened their sacrifice and called for an apology.
"This goes beyond politics. It is about a sense of decency," it said. "That kind decency you mock as 'political correctness.'"
(Additional reporting by Susan Heavey, Doina Chiacu and Patricia Zengerle; Editing by Frances Kerry and Jonathan Oatis)
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Donald Trump rages against CNN after Fareed Zakaria calls him a 'BS artist' on air
Dylan Stableford 1 hour 30 minutes ago
With the controversy surrounding his attacks on the parents of a slain Muslim American soldier swirling all around him, Donald Trump on Monday focused his complaints on CNN’s coverage of the presidential race.
“You look at CNN. It’s called the ‘Clinton News Network,’” Trump said at a town hall in Columbus, Ohio. “All day long: ‘Trump. Trump.’ All day long, CNN: ‘Trump. Trump. Trump.’ Such a bad guy, I just want to bring back your jobs. I want to bring back your safety, because we’re not safe.”
The Republican nominee began his critique of the cable news network in a flurry of Twitter posts.
“CNN will soon be the least trusted name in news if they continue to be the press shop for Hillary Clinton,” Trump tweeted early Monday afternoon, a few hours before the event. “CNN anchors are completely out of touch with everyday people worried about rising crime, failing schools and vanishing jobs.”
He didn’t stop there. He further accused CNN of not reporting stories that would be critical of his Democratic rival.
“When will we see stories from CNN on Clinton Foundation corruption and Hillary’s pay-for-play at State Department?” he tweeted. “Will CNN send its cameras to the border to show the massive unreported crisis now unfolding — or are they worried it will hurt Hillary?”
“The people who support Hillary sit behind CNN anchor chairs, or headline fundraisers — those disconnected from real life,” Trump continued.
That tweet was published shortly after Fareed Zakaria, host of CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria’s GPS,” ridiculed Trump for saying Russian President Vladimir Putin “is not going into Ukraine, you can mark it down,” despite the Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014. Trump later clarified that he meant Russia would not attempt such a move if he became president.
“There’s a pattern here,” Zakaria said. “Every time it is demonstrated that Donald Trump is plainly ignorant about some basic public policy issue, some well-known fact, he comes back with a certain bravado, and tries to explain it away with a tweet or a statement. … Usually he adds that the press hates him.”
“This is the mode of a bulls*** artist,” Zakaria said.
At the rally, Trump later returned to attacking CNN amid a tangent in which he also bashed the New York Times and Washington Post.
“I think their ratings are going to go down really sharply now,” the former “Celebrity Apprentice” host told the crowd. “They’ve been asking me to go on for months; I won’t do their shows. And the reason I won’t is because it’s so dishonest that, until they straighten up, I’m not doing their shows. And when people finally realized I’m not doing their shows, they stopped watching. That’s what happens.”
Trump, though, has not stopped.
Earlier Monday, Khizr and Ghazala Khan, the Gold Star parents who appeared onstage at last week’s Democratic National Convention, continued their criticism of Trump on several morning shows, including CNN’s “New Day.” And judging by the timing of this tweet, Trump was watching the Khans on CNN too.
“Mr. Khan, who does not know me, viciously attacked me from the stage of the DNC and is now all over T.V. doing the same,” he tweeted. “Nice!”
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In veiled hit on Trump, Obama says U.S. must honor Gold Star families
Olivier Knox 3 hours agoPresident Obama on Monday called for Americans to honor Gold Star families “and be humbled by them,” a veiled but unmistakable swing against Republican nominee Donald Trump’s attacks on the parents of a Muslim-American soldier killed in Iraq.
“Our Gold Star families have made a sacrifice that most of us cannot even begin to imagine,” Obama said in a speech to the National Convention of Disabled American Veterans in Atlanta. “We have to do everything we can for those families, and honor them, and be humbled by them.”
The president never named Trump, who has waged a bitter public feud with Khizr and Ghazala Khan. Their son Humayun, a 27-year-old Army captain, was killed by a car bomb in Iraq in 2004.
But Obama’s target was clear.
“No one has given more for our freedom and our security than our Gold Star families,” he said.
Obama also indirectly dinged Trump for speaking highly of the late Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. Trump has praised Hussein for supposedly killing terrorists.
“To all of you who served in Iraq, we saw your heroism in pushing out a dictator whose brutality must be condemned, never praised,” Obama said.
The president also knocked Trump for refusing to say that he would meet America’s solemn commitment to come to the rescue of any NATO ally attacked by Russia.
“In the face of Russian aggression, we’re not going to turn our back to our allies in Europe. We’re going to stay united in NATO, which is the world’s strongest alliance,” he said.
President Obama speaks at the 95th National Convention of Disabled American Veterans, Aug. 1, 2016, in Atlanta. (Photo: Manuel Balce Ceneta/AP)
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Visitors honor fallen Muslim soldier Humayun Khan at Arlington
Michael Walsh 1 hour 41 minutes ago
The grave of a fallen Muslim American soldier has received many visitors since his father sang his praises at the Democratic National Convention last week.
Khizr Khan’s emotional speech struck a nerve with patriotic Americans on both sides of the proverbial aisle and compelled many to find U.S. Army Capt. Humayun Khan’s gravesite in Arlington National Cemetery outside Washington.
The tombstone has been adorned with flowers, letters and tiny American flags — all expressions of love and gratitude for the young man’s valor, patriotism and sacrifice. He died at the age of 27 while saving his fellow troops during the Iraq War in 2004.
On Thursday night in Philadelphia, Khan rebuked Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump for his comments on Muslims and his proposed ban on them entering the United States. If Trump had it his way, Khan said, his son never would have been allowed into the country.
“Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery? Go look at the graves of the brave patriots who died defending America — you will see all faiths, genders and ethnicities,” Khan said to thunderous applause. “You have sacrificed nothing and no one.”
Jennifer Lynch, a public affairs officer at Arlington National Cemetery, said more than 400,000 people have been buried at the cemetery, which averages about 4 million visits each year.
“Everyone is a hero here, and we encourage people to come and visit all of the people that are buried here. Every one of them has a story of their sacrifice to the country,” she said in a phone interview with Yahoo News.
She said that the cemetery is “not a political place,” noting that campaigning and similar activities are prohibited.
Though Khan’s suggestion was for Trump to visit the military cemetery to better appreciate the diversity of men and women buried there, many others have heeded his call.
Trump did, however, respond to Khan’s accusation that he has not sacrificed anything.
“I think I’ve made a lot of sacrifices. I work very, very hard. I’ve created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures. I’ve done, I’ve had tremendous success. I think I’ve done a lot,” Trump said during an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week” that aired Sunday.
Khan, a Pakistani immigrant, had also suggested that Trump read the U.S. Constitution to learn about how it guarantees liberty and equal protection under the law for all Americans.
“You are asking Americans to trust you with their future: Let me ask you — have you even read the United States Constitution?” Khan said, while brandishing his pocket edition of the Constitution. “I will gladly lend you my copy!” (Sales of the Constitution skyrocketed as a result of this moment.)
Trump is accustomed to lashing out at his political opponents when he’s attacked, and his response this time around was not much different. Though he acknowledged that Capt. Humayun Khan was a hero, he also criticized and ridiculed his parents across several platforms.
“While I feel deeply for the loss of his son, Mr. Khan who has never met me, has no right to stand in front of millions of people and claim I have never read the Constitution, (which is false) and say many other inaccurate things,” Trump said in a statement Monday.
In the Stephanopoulos interview, Trump said Khan was “very emotional” and speculated that perhaps he would not allow his wife, Ghazala Khan, to speak at the convention.
“I saw him. He was, you know, very emotional and probably looked like a nice guy to me. His wife, if you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me, but plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet. Looked like she had nothing to say. A lot of people have said that.”
In an op-ed for the Washington Post, Ghazala Khan responded to Trump by saying that her husband had asked if she wanted to speak during the convention, but she wouldn’t have been able to with the huge picture of their dead son displayed prominently on the stage.
“I cannot walk into a room with pictures of Humayun. For all these years, I haven’t been able to clean the closet where his things are — I had to ask my daughter-in-law to do it,” she wrote. “Walking onto the convention stage, with a huge picture of my son behind me, I could hardly control myself. What mother could? Donald Trump has children whom he loves. Does he really need to wonder why I did not speak?”
Other notable groups and politicians have also piled on Trump.
U.S. President Barack Obama on Monday called upon Americans to honor and be humbled by Gold Star families (those who lost a loved one while serving in the military) for making a sacrifice others could not imagine.
Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States (VFW), the nation’s largest major war veterans organization, released a statement saying that Trump was out of line for ridiculing a Gold Star mother.
“Election year or not, the VFW will not tolerate anyone berating a Gold Star family member for exercising his or her right of speech or expression,” VFW National Commander Brian Duffy said in a statement.
“There are certain sacrosanct subjects that no amount of wordsmithing can repair once crossed,” he continued. “Giving one’s life to nation is the greatest sacrifice, followed closely by all Gold Star families, who have a right to make their voices heard.”
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? Bill Clinton 的经济政策与经济成就 - TJKCB - ♀ 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 TJKCB 的个人群组 (54591 bytes) (128 reads) 08/01/2016 13:54:25
? 克林顿时期可能是美国最繁荣的时期。那时候好像根本就没有失业率的问题。 - 薛成 - ♂ 给 薛成 发送悄悄话 薛成 的博客首页 薛成 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 08/01/2016 13:56:56
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? 泡沫破时美国还没有伤筋动骨，真正使美国伤筋动骨的是伊拉克和阿富汗两场战争，把国家消耗空了。希拉里再搞什么战... - 薛成 - ♂ 给 薛成 发送悄悄话 薛成 的博客首页 薛成 的个人群组 (110 bytes) (25 reads) 08/01/2016 14:09:13
? 真正伤筋动骨的是房地产泡沫，金融危机，和现在的过度流动性 - tibuko - ♂ 给 tibuko 发送悄悄话 tibuko 的博客首页 tibuko 的个人群组 (158 bytes) (4 reads) 08/01/2016 14:41:33
? 認為Trump的經濟政策會使美國經濟大好的請進 - 歡顏展卷林中坐 - ♂ 给 歡顏展卷林中坐 发送悄悄话 歡顏展卷林中坐 的博客首页 歡顏展卷林中坐 的个人群组 (687 bytes) (201 reads) 08/01/2016 13:47:19
? 理由已经说过100+遍了，左棍们听不进去，对牛弹琴。 - kabab - ♂ 给 kabab 发送悄悄话 kabab 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 13:52:37
? 他的最大功绩看得到的就是阻止美国变成墨西哥,不让20年后有六千万老墨在这里. - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (33 bytes) (10 reads) 08/01/2016 13:56:08
? +1. 还有阻止进口大量穆斯林，加强反恐，让美国更安全，防止美国变欧洲！ - JustAsked - ♀ 给 JustAsked 发送悄悄话 JustAsked 的博客首页 JustAsked 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 14:10:47
? 我會另外開帖談反移民反穆斯林。本帖談經濟。不是有人說中產不滿才是Trump的票源嘛?中產對經濟滿不滿意? - 歡顏展卷林中坐 - ♂ 给 歡顏展卷林中坐 发送悄悄话 歡顏展卷林中坐 的博客首页 歡顏展卷林中坐 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 14:20:30
? 楼主文的是经济政策，你们都答得是移民政策，所答非所问。 - 区分大小写已经存在 - ♂ 给 区分大小写已经存在 发送悄悄话 区分大小写已经存在 的博客首页 区分大小写已经存在 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 14:53:38
? 从床铺的观点看，他将结束全球一体化经济。不过，我没有看到这对美国经济有什么大好处。 - 薛成 - ♂ 给 薛成 发送悄悄话 薛成 的博客首页 薛成 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 08/01/2016 13:59:29
? 如果终结国际化是目标，桑德斯才是真正会让改变发生的选择，其他两个富豪不可信。 - 霍人 - ♂ 给 霍人 发送悄悄话 霍人 的个人群组 (263 bytes) (11 reads) 08/01/2016 14:07:02
? 别提桑德斯，他的支持者以年轻人为主，包括我的孩子。我前几天还说，美国的大学怎么培养出个社会主义者来了。当年... - 薛成 - ♂ 给 薛成 发送悄悄话 薛成 的博客首页 薛成 的个人群组 (447 bytes) (35 reads) 08/01/2016 14:14:47
? 我们没你们上一代那么文革思维一根筋，人类社会变得更文明谁也难不住。 - 霍人 - ♂ 给 霍人 发送悄悄话 霍人 的个人群组 (293 bytes) (9 reads) 08/01/2016 14:24:21
? 美國的大學培養年輕人有關懷他人的理想。這是美國與其他國家不同的地方。中國的「社會主義」是靠暴力與謊言... - 歡顏展卷林中坐 - ♂ 给 歡顏展卷林中坐 发送悄悄话 歡顏展卷林中坐 的博客首页 歡顏展卷林中坐 的个人群组 (113 bytes) (10 reads) 08/01/2016 14:24:45
? 公益心在传统中国社会是非常缺乏的，以前是家天下，政治不关小民的事。孙文提出“天下为公”非常了不起... - 霍人 - ♂ 给 霍人 发送悄悄话 霍人 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 14:28:30
? “天下为公”出自《礼记》，“穷则独善其身达则兼济天下”出自《孟子》， - 区分大小写已经存在 - ♂ 给 区分大小写已经存在 发送悄悄话 区分大小写已经存在 的博客首页 区分大小写已经存在 的个人群组 (227 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 14:51:16
? 中国仍然是专制体制，前三十年极左，后三十年极右。人民依旧不是国家政治的主人。 - 霍人 - ♂ 给 霍人 发送悄悄话 霍人 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 14:33:49
? 从古到今，世界上什么时候有过人民当家做主的国家，或者是部落？4年有张选票就等于你做主了吗？ - 相对强度 - ♂ 给 相对强度 发送悄悄话 相对强度 的博客首页 相对强度 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 14:40:46
? 但你能说人类社会自原始社会没发展，都一样？政治体制属于人类创造肯定有个过程 - 霍人 - ♂ 给 霍人 发送悄悄话 霍人 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 14:44:53
? 文革前中国到处都是助人为乐的好人好事，是文革的阶级斗争搞坏的。你们是带有色眼镜而已。 - 薛成 - ♂ 给 薛成 发送悄悄话 薛成 的博客首页 薛成 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 08/01/2016 14:39:20
? 不是中国人怎么样，刚建国那时可能也算理想时代。人民权利有没有体制上的保障才是关键。 - 霍人 - ♂ 给 霍人 发送悄悄话 霍人 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 14:42:46
? 其实选总统，你就选看着谁顺眼就选谁，没有大错的。当总统以后大局不会变。 - Jackwu - ♂ 给 Jackwu 发送悄悄话 Jackwu 的博客首页 Jackwu 的个人群组 (215 bytes) (173 reads) 08/01/2016 13:30:50
? 你别把民主说的那么不堪么。 - 薛成 - ♂ 给 薛成 发送悄悄话 薛成 的博客首页 薛成 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 13:41:19
? Precisely. - ZoyaWashington - ♀ 给 ZoyaWashington 发送悄悄话 ZoyaWashington 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 13:42:33
? 他最不让人放心的地方恰恰就在于，他有强人倾向，与国会和司法对抗，会对三权分立的体制 - 霍人 - ♂ 给 霍人 发送悄悄话 霍人 的个人群组 (218 bytes) (6 reads) 08/01/2016 14:16:48
? 希拉里携搭档现身关键摇摆州俄亥俄 展开民访行程(组图) - CFP - ♂ 给 CFP 发送悄悄话 CFP 的个人群组 (1873 bytes) (6406 reads) 08/01/2016 13:19:04
? 伦敦警长：遭恐袭是迟早的事 IS英籍娃娃兵随时袭击 - 光华日报 - ♂ 给 光华日报 发送悄悄话 光华日报 的个人群组 (4410 bytes) (6364 reads) 08/01/2016 13:18:16
? 床破与希拉里 - YY101 - ♂ 给 YY101 发送悄悄话 YY101 的博客首页 YY101 的个人群组 (1091 bytes) (546 reads) 08/01/2016 12:48:22
? 希特勒没做过生意所以不知会不会也玩CH11 - 加共 - ♂ 给 加共 发送悄悄话 加共 的个人群组 (169 bytes) (22 reads) 08/01/2016 13:03:32
? 床破的资产 - YY101 - ♂ 给 YY101 发送悄悄话 YY101 的博客首页 YY101 的个人群组 (1040 bytes) (71 reads) 08/01/2016 13:04:09
? 那TRUMP的房产管理公司哪？ - richman - ♂ 给 richman 发送悄悄话 richman 的博客首页 richman 的个人群组 (246 bytes) (20 reads) 08/01/2016 13:13:43
? 花旗与大通哪个不是高档银行呢？破产面前不分档次。 - YY101 - ♂ 给 YY101 发送悄悄话 YY101 的博客首页 YY101 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 13:16:15
? Trump核心产业是PM，你可看到其核心产业有破产？赫赫 - richman - ♂ 给 richman 发送悄悄话 richman 的博客首页 richman 的个人群组 (169 bytes) (23 reads) 08/01/2016 13:38:00
? 投资不可能每次都成功. 巴菲特也不可能. - cowpi - ♂ 给 cowpi 发送悄悄话 cowpi 的个人群组 (354 bytes) (28 reads) 08/01/2016 13:04:58
? 巴菲特投资不成功，损失的是投资者的钱 - YY101 - ♂ 给 YY101 发送悄悄话 YY101 的博客首页 YY101 的个人群组 (110 bytes) (29 reads) 08/01/2016 13:07:29
? 我一直提这个，不能用商业手段治理国家，可惜床粉只说他是合法的，看不到这两者的区别。 - 薛成 - ♂ 给 薛成 发送悄悄话 薛成 的博客首页 薛成 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (13 reads) 08/01/2016 13:10:23
? 老大爷中午要睡个觉要不然犯困. - cowpi - ♂ 给 cowpi 发送悄悄话 cowpi 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 13:17:17
? 商业手段的是Clinton. 空手套白狼, 收钱收的手软. 都是因为她品德高尚. - cowpi - ♂ 给 cowpi 发送悄悄话 cowpi 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 13:29:01
? 你怎么知道他是用商业手段来治国？发现你其实是隐藏得很深的左派。 True color exposed：－） - joytiggers - ♀ 给 joytiggers 发送悄悄话 joytiggers 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 08/01/2016 13:49:07
? 我不左，我对希拉里的支持非法移民和同性恋就很不满意。不过，那东西清清楚楚不用讨论。 - 薛成 - ♂ 给 薛成 发送悄悄话 薛成 的博客首页 薛成 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 08/01/2016 14:02:44
? 希拉里是没有底线的，只要她能上位，任何话都能说，能不能做是另外一回事。 - YY101 - ♂ 给 YY101 发送悄悄话 YY101 的博客首页 YY101 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 08/01/2016 14:07:09
? 我认为Clinton说的就是她想做的. 她要大赦非法移民, 破坏人口结构. - cowpi - ♂ 给 cowpi 发送悄悄话 cowpi 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 14:12:06
? 你这个克林顿是比尔还是希拉里？ - YY101 - ♂ 给 YY101 发送悄悄话 YY101 的博客首页 YY101 的个人群组 (50 bytes) (4 reads) 08/01/2016 14:23:48
? "她"! 不明白为什么都说希拉里, 川普, 不说希拉里, 唐纳德, 和Clinton... - cowpi - ♂ 给 cowpi 发送悄悄话 cowpi 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 08/01/2016 14:39:21
? 你说将美国带入20万亿债务时代是前无古人的伟大成功? - cowpi - ♂ 给 cowpi 发送悄悄话 cowpi 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (8 reads) 08/01/2016 13:15:46
? 有些没有人提的美国历史 - YY101 - ♂ 给 YY101 发送悄悄话 YY101 的博客首页 YY101 的个人群组 (994 bytes) (22 reads) 08/01/2016 13:39:53
? 我没钱就会节流. 而不是找理由. 自己 go high, 不带老妈. - cowpi - ♂ 给 cowpi 发送悄悄话 cowpi 的个人群组 (224 bytes) (13 reads) 08/01/2016 13:44:27
? 如果你是Trump的合伙人, 你今天会很高兴吧. - cowpi - ♂ 给 cowpi 发送悄悄话 cowpi 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 08/01/2016 13:19:31
? 说trump会贸然把国际贸易秩序全盘一锅端了，那你太高估总统的能力了，且不说想trump这样精于算计的商人根本就不会这样做，就... - FastTurtle - ♂ 给 FastTurtle 发送悄悄话 FastTurtle 的博客首页 FastTurtle 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (3 reads) 08/01/2016 13:22:47
? 他想，还有国会的关 - FastTurtle - ♂ 给 FastTurtle 发送悄悄话 FastTurtle 的博客首页 FastTurtle 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 08/01/2016 13:23:26
? 这种比喻没有任何道理，痴人说梦吧了 - happycow222 - ♂ 给 happycow222 发送悄悄话 happycow222 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 13:42:59
? 先不论你的观点对否。 一点区别， Trump 的business 养活了不少各个阶层领paycheck 的人。 - joytiggers - ♀ 给 joytiggers 发送悄悄话 joytiggers 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (4 reads) 08/01/2016 13:56:37
? Hillary调查她用了700万纳税人的钱，查完了她还没事。 - JustAsked - ♀ 给 JustAsked 发送悄悄话 JustAsked 的博客首页 JustAsked 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 14:13:21
? 也许希拉里养活的人更多 - YY101 - ♂ 给 YY101 发送悄悄话 YY101 的博客首页 YY101 的个人群组 (266 bytes) (15 reads) 08/01/2016 14:19:56
? 纳税人的钱 - cowpi - ♂ 给 cowpi 发送悄悄话 cowpi 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 14:52:44
? 中菲合併的可能性 中國應當歡迎菲律賓派代表談判，但不是談兩國海洋划界和島嶼歸宿問題，而是談兩國合并或者菲律賓加入中國的可... - Waterinn - ♂ 给 Waterinn 发送悄悄话 Waterinn 的博客首页 Waterinn 的个人群组 (1649 bytes) (298 reads) 08/01/2016 12:41:55
? 这个扯，美国全盛时期，菲律宾做为前殖民地都没并过去，中国就算了吧 - FastTurtle - ♂ 给 FastTurtle 发送悄悄话 FastTurtle 的博客首页 FastTurtle 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 13:13:27
? 做梦吧？菲律宾是前美国殖民地，在美国势力范围内，哪能被土工收了？就是床铺不搞政治正确也不会撒手啊。 - 薛成 - ♂ 给 薛成 发送悄悄话 薛成 的博客首页 薛成 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 13:15:46
? 中国如果政治稳定，法律健全，周边小国早就加入了。现在这个这种局面谁敢加入。 - Jackwu - ♂ 给 Jackwu 发送悄悄话 Jackwu 的博客首页 Jackwu 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 13:32:44
? 习近平已经定下调子，中国政府不会破坏现今的国际秩序。请不要再故意挑起事端，干扰习近平的治国大计。 - happycow222 - ♂ 给 happycow222 发送悄悄话 happycow222 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 13:44:43
? 好想法 - 比教授更牛 - ♂ 给 比教授更牛 发送悄悄话 比教授更牛 的博客首页 比教授更牛 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 14:16:20
? 有没有数据可以说明, 华人有多少本来是加入民主党或接近民主党的,有多少是共和党的. - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (328 bytes) (342 reads) 08/01/2016 12:23:13
? 华人参选率本来就低，更不要说党派 affiliation 了. - Warsteiner - ♂ 给 Warsteiner 发送悄悄话 Warsteiner 的博客首页 Warsteiner 的个人群组 (248 bytes) (23 reads) 08/01/2016 12:31:04
? What is your definition of 华人? - ZoyaWashington - ♀ 给 ZoyaWashington 发送悄悄话 ZoyaWashington 的个人群组 (260 bytes) (25 reads) 08/01/2016 12:31:24
? 总的来讲, 共和党的门坎太高, 不象民主党不管是烂民还是罪犯都要, 所以打人海战 - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (178 bytes) (16 reads) 08/01/2016 12:52:25
? Sorry answered the wrong post. - SwiperTheFox - ♂ 给 SwiperTheFox 发送悄悄话 SwiperTheFox 的博客首页 SwiperTheFox 的个人群组 (412 bytes) (16 reads) 08/01/2016 12:58:17
? 没有注意过是否有这样的数据。大概印象是这样的： - 区分大小写已经存在 - ♂ 给 区分大小写已经存在 发送悄悄话 区分大小写已经存在 的博客首页 区分大小写已经存在 的个人群组 (680 bytes) (51 reads) 08/01/2016 12:59:44
? 有统计。上次大选70%以上美籍华人投民主党。这次华人刚被选为民主党副主席，或会有作用。 - 评民 - ♂ 给 评民 发送悄悄话 评民 的博客首页 评民 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (5 reads) 08/01/2016 13:05:45
? 那么有没有人或机构可以测算, 这次华人有多大的比例 (当然要知道总人数的前提) - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (27 bytes) (3 reads) 08/01/2016 13:12:37
? 华裔在全美人口比重不到1%（选民比例应更低）， 但在NY和CA应有所影响 - FastTurtle - ♂ 给 FastTurtle 发送悄悄话 FastTurtle 的博客首页 FastTurtle 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 08/01/2016 13:14:52
? 听说他要决战CＡ，会惨败吗？ - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 13:16:59
? CA机会不大，脑餐太多，NY有一搏 - FastTurtle - ♂ 给 FastTurtle 发送悄悄话 FastTurtle 的博客首页 FastTurtle 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 13:20:07
? 他该是决战几个摇摆州啊！纽约他是要死守的,明天他到ＶＡ - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 13:24:40
? 不管选谁，参选总会显示出参与政治的意愿，肯定是好事。 - Warsteiner - ♂ 给 Warsteiner 发送悄悄话 Warsteiner 的博客首页 Warsteiner 的个人群组 (587 bytes) (6 reads) 08/01/2016 13:21:18
? 华人在美国政党的关系上更多地是和自身的现实生活相联系，跟台湾大陆的关系不紧密 - FastTurtle - ♂ 给 FastTurtle 发送悄悄话 FastTurtle 的博客首页 FastTurtle 的个人群组 (600 bytes) (25 reads) 08/01/2016 13:10:50
? 就我们这个坛看,大概是三分之二到四分之三吧，差不多吗？ - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 08/01/2016 13:15:56
? 要是希婆上(可能性很大)，参院也沦陷，美国就是社会主义人民共和国了！不是吗？ - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 13:22:39
? 不见得，当年小克当选，丢掉了两院，而他走相对中间路线，也做成一些事情。 - Warsteiner - ♂ 给 Warsteiner 发送悄悄话 Warsteiner 的博客首页 Warsteiner 的个人群组 (317 bytes) (11 reads) 08/01/2016 13:26:51
? 可是要是参院丢了,希婆可以拉进好一个或更多的大法官,动不动就用行政令．没人能制约她了. - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (98 bytes) (6 reads) 08/01/2016 13:32:04
? 三德斯逼着希拉里往左靠。 她算个center left还差不多。 - silverbug - ♀ 给 silverbug 发送悄悄话 silverbug 的博客首页 silverbug 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 13:32:48
? 我说的这个倒不是我的观察，是台湾人的共和党领导自己在报纸上的自述。 - 区分大小写已经存在 - ♂ 给 区分大小写已经存在 发送悄悄话 区分大小写已经存在 的博客首页 区分大小写已经存在 的个人群组 (113 bytes) (13 reads) 08/01/2016 13:30:19
? How about Asian-American Voters? 民主党73% vs. 共和党26% - Chris20119 - ♂ 给 Chris20119 发送悄悄话 Chris20119 的个人群组 (353 bytes) (25 reads) 08/01/2016 13:23:25
? NPR左倾媒体，一般飘过就是了，当然想越南人里，开BMW领救济卷的还是不少的 - FastTurtle - ♂ 给 FastTurtle 发送悄悄话 FastTurtle 的博客首页 FastTurtle 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 08/01/2016 13:30:53
? 共和党高层到现在也不全力顶床,看来是"宁要国会,不要总统"的战略了. - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (1 reads) 08/01/2016 13:36:35
? That is a pretty accurate report. - ZoyaWashington - ♀ 给 ZoyaWashington 发送悄悄话 ZoyaWashington 的个人群组 (261 bytes) (13 reads) 08/01/2016 13:38:50
? 行使公民权啊。 - silverbug - ♀ 给 silverbug 发送悄悄话 silverbug 的博客首页 silverbug 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (0 reads) 08/01/2016 13:51:49
? Gallup: 亚裔美国人政治左倾: 民主党61% vs. 共和党24% - Chris20119 - ♂ 给 Chris20119 发送悄悄话 Chris20119 的个人群组 (282 bytes) (12 reads) 08/01/2016 13:40:09
? 说真的,本来民主党是很合华人胃口的,拿福利是一个很主要的原因,这一次是民主党要 - dedebo - ♂ 给 dedebo 发送悄悄话 dedebo 的博客首页 dedebo 的个人群组 (116 bytes) (23 reads) 08/01/2016 13:47:40
? 我绝不会投票给希拉里。 - Chris20119 - ♂ 给 Chris20119 发送悄悄话 Chris20119 的个人群组 (0 bytes) (2 reads) 08/01/2016 13:50:37
? 这是我通过谷歌搜索发现的: 关于华裔美国人的政治倾向(读评论比较有意思。) - Chris20119 - ♂ 给 Chris20119 发送悄悄话 Chris20119 的个人群组 (229 bytes) (7 reads) 08/01/2016 14:31:54
? 总统和副总统候选人公开税表是50年代尼克松做为副总统候选人时提出的 - FastTurtle - ♂ 给 FastTurtle 发送悄悄话 FastTurtle 的博客首页 FastTurtle 的个人群组 (211 bytes) (266 reads) 08/01/2016 12:21:41
? He certainly doesn't have to--But - SwiperTheFox - ♂ 给 SwiperTheFox 发送悄悄话 SwiperTheFox 的博客首页 SwiperTheFox 的个人群组 (280 bytes) (30 reads) 08/01/2016
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