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做人不要太哈里斯.金句！

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回复 'xyz66' 的评论 :

谢谢 xyz66朋友的“拔刀相助”，不胜感激！

借此机会给此文加点“鱼子酱”

（注：宾州（川哈辩论所在州）是关键的摇摆州。）

“ A small-town bakery in a key swing state is using cookies to add extra sweetness and competition to the upcoming presidential election.?
Lochel's Bakery in Hatboro, Pa., is tracking the sales of their red Trump cookies and blue Harris cookies as customers from across the country are placing orders to show support for their candidate.
As of Friday morning, the shop has sold a whopping 5,200 Trump cookies vs. 500 Harris cookies.?”

谷歌翻译：
一个关键摇摆州的小镇面包店正在使用饼干为即将到来的总统选举增添额外的甜味和竞争性。

宾夕法尼亚州哈特伯勒的 Lochel's Bakery 正在跟踪他们的红色特朗普饼干和蓝色哈里斯饼干的销售情况，因为来自全国各地的顾客都在下订单以表示对他们候选人的支持。

截至周五上午，这家店已经售出了 5,200 块特朗普饼干，而哈里斯饼干的销量为 500 块。

xyz66': 这样的博主给咱们再来几打。
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Of course, heavenly so. In

@ShalakoW

文城的论坛里百花齐放，博主可以取各种题目来展现其中心论点，甚至语不惊人死不休地采用各种耸人听闻的题目来吸引眼球，招流量，包括你自己不也到处“碰瓷“YouTube 华语名人写博文吗？

这些操作在信息爆炸的网络时代无可厚非，毕竟人们时间有限，根据标题内容选择是否点击是人之常情。但是，如果标题下面文章空洞无物，逻辑混乱，甚至读下来觉得作者心怀叵测，久而久之，网友就会绕行，即使不小心点进去后不屑与博主互动。哈哈，博主自嗨吧！

从风语空灵的一系列博文看来，真实真诚，幽默风趣，配上高质量的图片，还慷慨地与网友分享自己的业余爱好“私货”，有知识有见解，这样的博主给咱们再来几打；）

xyz66：....说点实质性的论点...
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不知道你说的实质性论点是什么，倒有个简单的问题，博主如何知道"中间选民对辩论输赢 don't give a dime"?
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文中没有任何说明，博主就替"中间选民"作了主，让显得越俎代庖的结论难以令人置信。辩论胜利是否能转化为更多选票，是个无人能回答的问题。博主"don't give a dime"的回答，因毫无依据让肯定的语气显得非常单薄，因为只是一个猜测。
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除非授权，否则，在美国/西方人们回答对某个问题的看法/感受时，几乎有一个标准模式: I don't know about others, but I think/believe...(我不知道别人怎么样，但我认为/相信...)。与中国大陆不同，在西方/美国随便与他人作主，是冒犯人的不礼貌行为。

楼下的Shalako 网民，你得向博主学习，说点实质性的论点，纠结于“dime” or “damn” 有意思吗？ 显摆你英文造诣深厚？ 别忘了，这是在海外，英文是主流语言。文学城卧龙藏虎，秀这点雕虫小技，贻笑大方罢了。

也许博主只不过是为了避免触发“profanity” censorship 才用了dime. Who knows? Who cares?

@海河垂钓叟,
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电影"随风而去/Gone with the Wind"的结尾，当深爱Scarlett O'Hara 的 Rhett Butler 再也无法忍受 Scarlett冷漠与自私，决定离家出走时，Scarlett 在房门处拦住Rhett,恳请他不要走:
Scarlett: Rhett, if you go, where shall I go? What shall I do?
Rhett: Franky my dear, I don't give a damn.
这段对话成为这一经典电影的一个人的经典片段。
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如果按你的意思，I don't give a dime 与 I don't give a damn 没有区别，Rhett回应道，"Frankly my dear, I don't give a dime", 且不说电影是否能成经典，观众或都会要求退票，哪怕当时的票价只是 a dime.

赞风灵博主又一篇言之有物的好文！

与你同感，老贺的debate style 一看就是临阵磨枪，死记硬背秀出来的，因为在此之前任何只要需要临场发挥的讲话，简直就是车祸现场，就剩下令人无比尴尬的哈哈哈，哈哈哈了！

再看老贺在辩论中的肢体语言，她空洞无物的口号不少，脸上手上小动作不断，特别是挤眉弄眼，有时甚至乱抛媚眼，不把精力放在如何让观众真正了解她的政策思想，却集中精力“刺激”老川，可惜功效不佳，反而让中间选民厌恶这样的操作。恰恰就是这些中间选民最后定胜负。

老贺祸祸加州已是现实，现在携祸祸明州的Walz一起来祸祸美国，是可忍，孰不可忍，无论你是什么“粉”的投票人，请扪心自问，到底想在什么样的环境下生活？

回复 'Contenta' 的评论 : 赞！把你的正贴提上来
HARRIS CLOSING STATEMENT
“So, I think you’ve heard tonight two very different visions for our country, one that is focused on the future, and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward. But we’re not going back, and I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us, and we can chart a new way forward, and a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people. Which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, and what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living. I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America’s standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. I’ll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor. I was a DA, I was an attorney general, United States Senator and now vice president. I’ve only had one client, the people. And I’ll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or witness, ‘Are you a Republican or a Democrat?’ The only thing I ever asked them was, ‘are you OK’? And that’s the kind of president we need right now, someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.

TRUMP’S CLOSING STATEMENT
So she just started by saying she’s going to do this, she’s going to do that. She’s going to do all these wonderful things.Why hasn’t she done it? She’s been there for three and a half years.They’ve had three and a half years to fix the border. They’ve had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn’t she done it?
She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do.
But you haven’t done it, and you won’t do it because you believe in things that the American people don’t believe in. You believe in things like we’re not going to frack, we’re not going to take fossil fuel, we’re not going to do things that are going to be strong, whether you like it or not.

Germany tried that, and within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants … We can’t sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
But I just ask one simple question, why didn’t she? We’re a failing nation. We’re a nation that’s in serious decline. We’re being laughed at all over the world, all over the world. They laughed. I know the leaders very well. They’re coming to see me. They call me. We’re laughed at all over the world. They don’t understand what happened to us as a nation. We’re not a leader. We don’t have any idea what’s going on. We have wars going on in the Middle East. We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine. We’re going to end up in a third World War, and it will be a war like no other, because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban. She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest of all, is allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of them are criminals, and they’re destroying our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country.”

变色龙，哈哈。是的！

给赞风语空灵。说得非常好。谢谢！！

@neshershahor

FYI
楼主的意思是 The undecided voters are not convinced by the poll. They couldn't care less. The so-called "win" does not shift their votes.

哇噻，讨论热烈，谢谢各位评论！赞成的，批评的或反对的，除了极少口出不逊的哈，都是关心美国的未来，天下兴亡 匹夫有责。

个人的观点是如哈里斯当了总统，美国会剧烈地往下探底，到最后倒霉的是那些送她进白宫的选民，加州被她遗留的东西害得太深，比一比昔日与今天的旧金山就知道了。治安江河日下，“苦秦久巳”，很多归咎于她的“$950”法案，偷抢少于950美元可以walk away，以致于罪犯们抢商店时拿着计算器，到手后一算价格，达$950就走人，可免牢狱。

做人不要太哈里斯，有理也要让人三分，更何况强词夺理，为了选举左右逢缘，比如别人说小费免税，她跟着呀呀学语，希望这样易“变色”的人坐在橢圆形办公室吗？三思而行！

@neshershahor,
He is not.

If you are NOT American citizen: well, its up to you...
If you are American citizen: YOU BETTER GIVE A DIME! IT IS YOUR PRESIDENT FOR THE NEXT 4 YRS

三笑原来说她不是黑人，是印度人，被妈妈带大，妈妈是印度移民。后来为了选票她说是黑人。她装黑人口音拙劣得不敢直视。https://youtu.be/8u45WkkRva4?si=K4z-ZOWzwD4BmCpG

那天与川普辩论到最后，她要选民不看过去，展望未来。她把过去几年和现在的美国搞得一塌糊涂，谁还愿意把未来交在她的手里呢？dumb af!

@镜子里的猴儿,
上世纪美国大萧条时，歌手 Bing Crosby 有一首很有名的歌，Brother, can you spare a dime (伙计，能施舍一毛钱么？)，说的是大萧条给美国各行各业的人造成的经济打击。结尾的歌词是，
...Oh say, don't you remember? I am your pal,
Buddy, can you spare a dime.

@海河垂钓叟,
Thank you.
在我读来，博主文中最后那句话想表达的意思是，"即便民调显示哈里斯赢了辩论，但中间选民也不在乎(不会改变他们把票投给川普的决定)"。
且不说他如何知道"中间选民"怎么想的，他想说明的是"美国中间选民"的思维活动。With this in mind,
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从语言逻辑上说，英文是"Don't give a damn",是表明自己不在乎， 而"Don't give a dime"表明"一文不值"。
前者意思中立(哪怕值百万美金也与我无关)；后者带有否定/贬义。
"一文不值"是大陆国人思维方式，否定对方来强调自己正确; "与我无关"是美国人的思维习惯，只强调自己的意见，不评判他人(结论)是否正确。
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博主这篇文章猜测是"美国中间选民"的意见，即便他的猜测合理，也应是美国人的思维态度：只强调自己(我不在乎)，不否定他人。
然而，博主却用中国大陆国人思维习惯解释美国人的思维活动，这一拧巴的操作，让他的猜测不可避免地与现实带有很大的"隔阂"。
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美国政坛割裂，左右相互否定，对方"一文不值(Don't give a dime)",而"中间选民"的特点就是不参与左右谁对谁错之争(Don't give a damn)", 只在意自己的判断。

川普的closing argument 痛打三笑七寸，让她毫无还手之力。赢麻了？还是被打”麻“了？

HARRIS CLOSING STATEMENT
“So, I think you’ve heard tonight two very different visions for our country, one that is focused on the future, and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward. But we’re not going back, and I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us, and we can chart a new way forward, and a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the American people. Which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy, investing in small businesses, in new families, and what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living. I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America’s standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve, including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world.
I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms, including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. I’ll tell you, I started my career as a prosecutor. I was a DA, I was an attorney general, United States Senator and now vice president. I’ve only had one client, the people. And I’ll tell you, as a prosecutor, I never asked a victim or witness, ‘Are you a Republican or a Democrat?’ The only thing I ever asked them was, ‘are you OK’? And that’s the kind of president we need right now, someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first.I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the American people.


TRUMP’S CLOSING STATEMENT
So she just started by saying she’s going to do this, she’s going to do that. She’s going to do all these wonderful things.Why hasn’t she done it? She’s been there for three and a half years.They’ve had three and a half years to fix the border. They’ve had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about. Why hasn’t she done it?
She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do.
But you haven’t done it, and you won’t do it because you believe in things that the American people don’t believe in. You believe in things like we’re not going to frack, we’re not going to take fossil fuel, we’re not going to do things that are going to be strong, whether you like it or not.
Germany tried that, and within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants … We can’t sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
But I just ask one simple question, why didn’t she? We’re a failing nation. We’re a nation that’s in serious decline. We’re being laughed at all over the world, all over the world. They laughed. I know the leaders very well. They’re coming to see me. They call me. We’re laughed at all over the world. They don’t understand what happened to us as a nation. We’re not a leader. We don’t have any idea what’s going on. We have wars going on in the Middle East. We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine. We’re going to end up in a third World War, and it will be a war like no other, because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban. She gave it to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country, and maybe toughest of all, is allowing millions of people to come into our country. Many of them are criminals, and they’re destroying our country. The worst president, the worst vice president in the history of our country.”

回复 '海河垂钓叟' 的评论 : 只见过 " I would not give you a dime...." 或者 " you would not get a dime..." , 没见过人说 " don't give a dime", 只有一个例外. 有一首歌名叫做 "don'i give a dime."

您这是闭门造车.

两种说法都对，don't give me dime 的意思是 what you said is worthless to me.
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ShalakoW 发表评论于 2024-09-13 07:20:11
博主，正确的说法是，Don't give a damn,

那天的辩论看着确实有趣，看着川普imploding太解乏了。一个convicted felon有什么资格当总统？一个撒谎成性的人又有什么能力来管理国家。我也不指望一场结论能带来多大的变化，但是川普肯定不能依靠这次辩论来争取中间选民了。

博主，
正确的说法是，Don't give a damn,
不是你题目中说的 "Don't give a dime".
Mind you.

回复 'davidinchina' 的评论 : ”这次辩论展示了Harris有总统气质，而且能有效击败川普，看着川普被爆，我太高兴了。”

大伙儿注意了，看到没有，这个ID根本不care美国的未来和美国人民的生活，一切都只为了黑川普，只要一有机会黑川普，他一定会立马现身，这次更完整暴露了这个ID最为真实的一面，只要打败川普，一只狗上来都行，却完全不顾双方的政纲执政能力是否爱美国，由此可见，这样的ID说的所有都没有任何value和credits，他唯一希望就是搞垮美国，davidinchina,你真给中国丢脸

回复 '妙人儿28' 的评论 : 你就是个下流不要脸只会喊口号的极下贱吃福利傻B

说太好了！不要听一个政客说什么画什么饼，要看这个政客做了什么，贺三的旧金山现实和白贺政府的四年放进两千万难民物价飞涨世界混乱美国在走向大号旧金山就是贺三当政美国的事实未来。
用自己的亲身经历告诉大伙儿贺三通过十来天密集全天集训背出来演出来的假辩论加上两个主持人的拉偏架，这个辩论无论输赢，辩论赛本身就已经彻底输了。况且贺三除了背诵，她对她当政四年造成的美国现实众多问题提出任何解决方法么？没有!非但没有，还各种嬉皮笑脸毫无改正纠错之意，她可能解决咱老百姓的问题吗？NO!她全脱产就为了训练辩论，作为一个总统候选人可笑么悲哀么？既是裁判又是球员，你们能指望她再当四年做什么么除了把美国带入旧金山？

赞-看看她过去在加州的所作所为，看看今天旧金山的乌烟瘴气，以美国人民的智慧，他们能让哈里斯入主白宫？

见人说人话见鬼说鬼话的正是川普和黄川粉们

SB

You don’t give a dime.
I don’t give a dime.
Those undecided voters in the swing states do.

說的對極了，don’t give me a dime. 選票說了算，看來我要投川普一票啦

对川粉来说，不管川普说什么都会支持他，辩论当然不重要；但是对于不是川粉的人群来说，辩论太重要了。这次辩论展示了Harris有总统气质，而且能有效击败川普，看着川普被爆，我太高兴了。另外川普频频中圈套，也说明他有致命的性格弱点，不适合做总统。其实你也知道这次辩论真的很重要。

看看她过去在加州的所作所为，看看今天旧金山的乌烟瘴气，以美国人民的智慧，他们能让哈里斯入主白宫？++1

don't give a dime?
then why write about it?